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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jon, you have made lots of points, only one of which really is an argument against speed limiting of vehicles:

"To limit vehicle speeds through auto design or speed limiters is to encourage the production of inferior vehicles, likely with poor performance in other aspects of their operation."  When this is weighed up against reduced frequency and severity of collisions, it's a trade off I think is worth it.

And you assert without reason that "To artificially lower speeds introduces greater problems."  I'm wondering how bad these problems are such that they are worse than more frequent and more severe collisions.  You also suggest reducing speed may cause a greater number of collisions (once again without justifying it).

The rest of your post is about collision avoidance, and you seem to only consider same direction traffic (which from memory accounts for a very low percentage of collisions).  Speed (relative to the ground) is most definitely important when considering stopping distance (important for pedestrians and traffic from sidestreets), and a factor in the severity of collisions when they do happen (especially with oncoming traffic).

Anyway, when we have gotten rid of car collisions, I'll agree that limiting speed isn't so important.

I'm not saying the rest of your points aren't worth considering, they are just red-herrings that are not mutually exclusive with speed reduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon, you have made lots of points, only one of which really is an argument against speed limiting of vehicles:</p>
<p>&#8220;To limit vehicle speeds through auto design or speed limiters is to encourage the production of inferior vehicles, likely with poor performance in other aspects of their operation.&#8221;  When this is weighed up against reduced frequency and severity of collisions, it&#8217;s a trade off I think is worth it.</p>
<p>And you assert without reason that &#8220;To artificially lower speeds introduces greater problems.&#8221;  I&#8217;m wondering how bad these problems are such that they are worse than more frequent and more severe collisions.  You also suggest reducing speed may cause a greater number of collisions (once again without justifying it).</p>
<p>The rest of your post is about collision avoidance, and you seem to only consider same direction traffic (which from memory accounts for a very low percentage of collisions).  Speed (relative to the ground) is most definitely important when considering stopping distance (important for pedestrians and traffic from sidestreets), and a factor in the severity of collisions when they do happen (especially with oncoming traffic).</p>
<p>Anyway, when we have gotten rid of car collisions, I&#8217;ll agree that limiting speed isn&#8217;t so important.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the rest of your points aren&#8217;t worth considering, they are just red-herrings that are not mutually exclusive with speed reduction.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A worthy subject but the precisely incorrect response.  It is poor driving that leads to accidents and injuries.  Drivers should be better educated, and there should be far higher penalties for drivers which cause accidents that lead to injury or death, perhaps with some level of severity linked to specific penalties.

I'm always shocked at newspaper articles I seem to read on a daily basis about drivers that have killed pedestrians, but no charges are contemplated or fined.  Certainly some pedestrians cross roads at the wrong time, but it is the driver of the car who is responsible for the death.

To limit vehicle speeds through auto design or speed limiters is to encourage the production of inferior vehicles, likely with poor performance in other aspects of their operation.  Driver and vehicle capabilities can reduce accidents through avoidance, which is better than simply having the same number (or greater) of lower speed collisions.  If there is no accident, then vehicle speed is immaterial.

It is appropriate that roadway speeds are typically set at the 85th percentile.  People generally know and drive at speeds appropriate for a given roadway segment.  To artificially lower speeds introduces greater problems.  If it is important to reduce prevailing travel speeds on a given roadway segment, then the geometric design of that road should be altered to promote driving at a lower speed.  Conversely, the road might also be redesigned to eliminate harmful design elements contributing to accidents and injuries at current speeds.

A greater problem is lack of proper lane discipline on highways, and high speed differentials between vehicles.

It is impressive that auto related fatalities have remained substantially level for nearly a half century, while the number of autos, drivers, and vehicle miles travelled each year have all increased enormously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A worthy subject but the precisely incorrect response.  It is poor driving that leads to accidents and injuries.  Drivers should be better educated, and there should be far higher penalties for drivers which cause accidents that lead to injury or death, perhaps with some level of severity linked to specific penalties.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always shocked at newspaper articles I seem to read on a daily basis about drivers that have killed pedestrians, but no charges are contemplated or fined.  Certainly some pedestrians cross roads at the wrong time, but it is the driver of the car who is responsible for the death.</p>
<p>To limit vehicle speeds through auto design or speed limiters is to encourage the production of inferior vehicles, likely with poor performance in other aspects of their operation.  Driver and vehicle capabilities can reduce accidents through avoidance, which is better than simply having the same number (or greater) of lower speed collisions.  If there is no accident, then vehicle speed is immaterial.</p>
<p>It is appropriate that roadway speeds are typically set at the 85th percentile.  People generally know and drive at speeds appropriate for a given roadway segment.  To artificially lower speeds introduces greater problems.  If it is important to reduce prevailing travel speeds on a given roadway segment, then the geometric design of that road should be altered to promote driving at a lower speed.  Conversely, the road might also be redesigned to eliminate harmful design elements contributing to accidents and injuries at current speeds.</p>
<p>A greater problem is lack of proper lane discipline on highways, and high speed differentials between vehicles.</p>
<p>It is impressive that auto related fatalities have remained substantially level for nearly a half century, while the number of autos, drivers, and vehicle miles travelled each year have all increased enormously.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Baxter, Iowa City, Iowa</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Baxter, Iowa City, Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speed may not kill, as you say (mplee) but the difference in speed certainly does.  On our local stretch of I-80 the speed limit is 65mph and I drive no faster than the limit if only to conserve fuel. The posted speed limit does not seem to prevent other drivers from traveling speeds in excess of 80mph on this semi-urban freeway (Iowa City/Coralville not being the largest place but traffic congestion is common on this 4 lane highway). Lane changes and merging are inevitable and should be a given in this area and the accidents are occasionally horrific.  In this case, speed is definitely a killer especially considering the imperious nature of those who insist on driving at inappropriate speeds. Part of the problem is that our urban area is perceived as being so small--the speed limit is reduced to 65mph for only 10 miles--that our congestion is not considered worth slowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speed may not kill, as you say (mplee) but the difference in speed certainly does.  On our local stretch of I-80 the speed limit is 65mph and I drive no faster than the limit if only to conserve fuel. The posted speed limit does not seem to prevent other drivers from traveling speeds in excess of 80mph on this semi-urban freeway (Iowa City/Coralville not being the largest place but traffic congestion is common on this 4 lane highway). Lane changes and merging are inevitable and should be a given in this area and the accidents are occasionally horrific.  In this case, speed is definitely a killer especially considering the imperious nature of those who insist on driving at inappropriate speeds. Part of the problem is that our urban area is perceived as being so small&#8211;the speed limit is reduced to 65mph for only 10 miles&#8211;that our congestion is not considered worth slowing.</p>
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		<title>By: mp lee</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>mp lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's my opinion that it's not so much that "speed kills" as that lane-changing kills.  of course if you speed, defined as going faster than the prevailing traffic, you will inevitably have to change lanes to get past the other cars.  too often i've seen cars cut in front of me when i felt i was traveling at a safe follow distance.  in effect they made me tailgater.  sometimes you find drivers rapidly change lanes so frequently and so quickly that you almost can't tell where they will move next.  surely these behaviors create more of a menace than merely traveling fast down roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s my opinion that it&#8217;s not so much that &#8220;speed kills&#8221; as that lane-changing kills.  of course if you speed, defined as going faster than the prevailing traffic, you will inevitably have to change lanes to get past the other cars.  too often i&#8217;ve seen cars cut in front of me when i felt i was traveling at a safe follow distance.  in effect they made me tailgater.  sometimes you find drivers rapidly change lanes so frequently and so quickly that you almost can&#8217;t tell where they will move next.  surely these behaviors create more of a menace than merely traveling fast down roads.</p>
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		<title>By: katems</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>katems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may need to re-word this statement, for it means something completely different than what I think you may have intended.

"...about 90% of child pedestrians are killed by sober drivers."

I look forward to reading you book. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may need to re-word this statement, for it means something completely different than what I think you may have intended.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;about 90% of child pedestrians are killed by sober drivers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I look forward to reading you book. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Templeton</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Templeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the vast majority of people on the roads speed (ie. exceed the speed limit) how could only 28% or 41% of accidents involve speeding?   Or is this a judgement that there was particularly extreme speeding, measured not against the speed limit but the typical traffic speed (which is usually 5-10mph over the speed limit.)

It is hard to combine stats.  I have seen cites that 80% of accidents (not fatalities) are caused by driver inattention.  This was tested by actually having volunteers drive around being recorded on camera (head and eye position) and waiting for them to have accidents.   Of course, impairment (DUI) would cause inattention.   So accidents could involve inattention, speeding and DUI at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the vast majority of people on the roads speed (ie. exceed the speed limit) how could only 28% or 41% of accidents involve speeding?   Or is this a judgement that there was particularly extreme speeding, measured not against the speed limit but the typical traffic speed (which is usually 5-10mph over the speed limit.)</p>
<p>It is hard to combine stats.  I have seen cites that 80% of accidents (not fatalities) are caused by driver inattention.  This was tested by actually having volunteers drive around being recorded on camera (head and eye position) and waiting for them to have accidents.   Of course, impairment (DUI) would cause inattention.   So accidents could involve inattention, speeding and DUI at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/09/08/the-inalienable-right-to-speed/#comment-881</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, we should go right to the source. The driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, we should go right to the source. The driver.</p>
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