Comments on: Pay-As-You-Drive Driving http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/11/19/pay-as-you-drive-driving/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:45:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Steve http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/11/19/pay-as-you-drive-driving/#comment-27333 Steve Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:48:50 +0000 http://www.howwedrive.com/?p=422#comment-27333 Why do it with a black box and GPS? It's luckil;y off the list but:... you could add it to the fuel tax. One would also pay as you drive (or sit in traffic with idling engine- then you pay). One could reduce CO2 neutral biofuels as e.g. biogas, sustainably produced vegoil or really green electricity. With this it could also have the effect of de-centralising the fuel market as many can produce their own fuel instead of relying on large scale industry :) Same effect but much simpler, less bureaucracy, less costs and no privacy concerns. But that's not the egenda of modern governments, isn't it? Why do it with a black box and GPS? It’s luckil;y off the list but:…

you could add it to the fuel tax. One would also pay as you drive (or sit in traffic with idling engine- then you pay).

One could reduce CO2 neutral biofuels as e.g. biogas, sustainably produced vegoil or really green electricity.
With this it could also have the effect of de-centralising the fuel market as many can produce their own fuel instead of relying on large scale industry :)

Same effect but much simpler, less bureaucracy, less costs and no privacy concerns.

But that’s not the egenda of modern governments, isn’t it?

]]> By: Suzan http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/11/19/pay-as-you-drive-driving/#comment-9893 Suzan Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:20:47 +0000 http://www.howwedrive.com/?p=422#comment-9893 Why do they need to track where you went anyways? Can't they just track mileage? Why do they need to track where you went anyways? Can’t they just track mileage?

]]> By: Joeri http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/11/19/pay-as-you-drive-driving/#comment-5926 Joeri Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:26:33 +0000 http://www.howwedrive.com/?p=422#comment-5926 I dont think the Dutch are that concerned with privacy. If its a better system then such concerns are silly, its not 1984, at least not in Amsterdam. I dont think the Dutch are that concerned with privacy. If its a better system then such concerns are silly, its not 1984, at least not in Amsterdam.

]]> By: Brad Templeton http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/11/19/pay-as-you-drive-driving/#comment-2755 Brad Templeton Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:36:06 +0000 http://www.howwedrive.com/?p=422#comment-2755 They are underestimating the privacy problem. The fact that only the driver has access to the data stored in their car will never prevent the police, and lawyers in lawsuits, from getting access to it with a warrant or subpoena under most legal regimes. Your car will betray you and tell them where you were on the night of the 23nd. And it's very hard to anonymise such data. You can strip my name off a set of records, but if they start or end at my house, you know it's me. Per km pricing without time/location is of course easy to do from the odometer, or even more simply from the gasoline tax, which has the added benefit of taxing the gas guzzler. And this also taxes the tourists. They are underestimating the privacy problem. The fact that only the driver has access to the data stored in their car will never prevent the police, and lawyers in lawsuits, from getting access to it with a warrant or subpoena under most legal regimes. Your car will betray you and tell them where you were on the night of the 23nd.

And it’s very hard to anonymise such data. You can strip my name off a set of records, but if they start or end at my house, you know it’s me.

Per km pricing without time/location is of course easy to do from the odometer, or even more simply from the gasoline tax, which has the added benefit of taxing the gas guzzler. And this also taxes the tourists.

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