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		<title>By: Zero Energy Lifestyle</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6695</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero Energy Lifestyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the pro-cyclist campaign I envision a dark, angry, menacing car charicature (like from CARS the movie) with a whilte skull &#38; cross bones "icons" for each death inflicted on sidewalks (the car has two tires on the walk way) and a winpy skinny litle "bicycle" with glasses and only one icon. wavy lines to makew it look timid next to a hefty lady pedestrian with a walker grocery basket on wheels that looks more formidable than the bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the pro-cyclist campaign I envision a dark, angry, menacing car charicature (like from CARS the movie) with a whilte skull &amp; cross bones &#8220;icons&#8221; for each death inflicted on sidewalks (the car has two tires on the walk way) and a winpy skinny litle &#8220;bicycle&#8221; with glasses and only one icon. wavy lines to makew it look timid next to a hefty lady pedestrian with a walker grocery basket on wheels that looks more formidable than the bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the comments here are incorrect.  It is perfectly legal to ride your bike on the Embarcadero in San Francisco.  That's why it's a "multi-use pathway".  The bike lane is a joke and a very good way to get creamed by a car lurching out of a garage or valet lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the comments here are incorrect.  It is perfectly legal to ride your bike on the Embarcadero in San Francisco.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a &#8220;multi-use pathway&#8221;.  The bike lane is a joke and a very good way to get creamed by a car lurching out of a garage or valet lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6655</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great essay-- and great book. I'm also a daily San Francisco cyclist who's seen lots of people biking on the sidewalk along the Embarcadero while there's a perfectly good bike line just feet away-- and I agree with #8 that it's mostly tourists doing this. It's usually folks who might not have ridden a bike in traffic in quite some time and to them (and to lots of us frequent cyclists) the sidewalk seems to be a much safer place to ride. Traveling in Japan a couple of years ago, I noticed that most cyclists ride on the sidewalk all the time, no matter how dense with pedestrians it may be. But everyone seems to be comfortable with it; bikes expect pedestrians, and pedestrians expect bikes on the sidewalks. Seeing and riding this way first-hand over there, it made me realize that in the U.S. we think the bicycle is a very slow way to travel like a car, but in Japan (and many other places) the bicycle is seen more as a very fast way to travel like a pedestrian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay&#8211; and great book. I&#8217;m also a daily San Francisco cyclist who&#8217;s seen lots of people biking on the sidewalk along the Embarcadero while there&#8217;s a perfectly good bike line just feet away&#8211; and I agree with #8 that it&#8217;s mostly tourists doing this. It&#8217;s usually folks who might not have ridden a bike in traffic in quite some time and to them (and to lots of us frequent cyclists) the sidewalk seems to be a much safer place to ride. Traveling in Japan a couple of years ago, I noticed that most cyclists ride on the sidewalk all the time, no matter how dense with pedestrians it may be. But everyone seems to be comfortable with it; bikes expect pedestrians, and pedestrians expect bikes on the sidewalks. Seeing and riding this way first-hand over there, it made me realize that in the U.S. we think the bicycle is a very slow way to travel like a car, but in Japan (and many other places) the bicycle is seen more as a very fast way to travel like a pedestrian.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6638</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a New York City pedestrian/sometime cyclist/occasional cab passenger, and I've never had a driver's license.  And I'll say that while the complaint about safety doesn't make sense in terms of result, I can make sense of it when considered in terms of the intention of the subject of the complaint.  I'm hardly surprised that cars kill many more pedestrians than bikes (though I wonder whether one shouldn't consider that in at least a few cases a car might have caused the death but a bike might have been a factor in the accident).  But bike riders often exhibit more intentional disregard for the rules, and violate them more flagrantly, than the general population of cars do (cab drivers excepted, since in my observation they're pretty bad offenders).  I've never seen a car going the wrong way down a one-way street in Manhattan, but I sure see that a lot from bikes, which I especially hate when I'm on my bike and they force me to swerve into traffic.  Even if a small rule violation or a little bit of inattention in a car is X% likely to kill someone, whereas a very serious rule violation on a bike is x/5% likely to kill someone, I'll still feel more pissed off at the bike rider.  They have a guiltier mens rea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a New York City pedestrian/sometime cyclist/occasional cab passenger, and I&#8217;ve never had a driver&#8217;s license.  And I&#8217;ll say that while the complaint about safety doesn&#8217;t make sense in terms of result, I can make sense of it when considered in terms of the intention of the subject of the complaint.  I&#8217;m hardly surprised that cars kill many more pedestrians than bikes (though I wonder whether one shouldn&#8217;t consider that in at least a few cases a car might have caused the death but a bike might have been a factor in the accident).  But bike riders often exhibit more intentional disregard for the rules, and violate them more flagrantly, than the general population of cars do (cab drivers excepted, since in my observation they&#8217;re pretty bad offenders).  I&#8217;ve never seen a car going the wrong way down a one-way street in Manhattan, but I sure see that a lot from bikes, which I especially hate when I&#8217;m on my bike and they force me to swerve into traffic.  Even if a small rule violation or a little bit of inattention in a car is X% likely to kill someone, whereas a very serious rule violation on a bike is x/5% likely to kill someone, I&#8217;ll still feel more pissed off at the bike rider.  They have a guiltier mens rea.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6627</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1890s, when roadways weren't generally paved and instead were deep mud in the winter, many cities had sidewalk ordinances that made bicycling on the sidewalk illegal during certain parts of the year or certain parts of the day.  Although newspapers had plenty of accounts of people killed by runaway horses, these were normalized as "accidents."  Crashes involving "scorchers" (speedy and reckless bicyclists) and pedestrians almost always blamed the scorcher (which is not to say that scorching wasn't a real problem) and often generalized this behavior to bicyclists generally.  

Even if the terms in the conflict have changed in a little over a century, it seems to me that the structure of the conflict and supposed threat remains strangely persistent.  

In the early auto age, autoists were also sometimes demonized.  So at least part of this is numbers:  Where and when bicycling is common, bicyclists aren't available to be demonized; where and when they are few, they become an Other, and attract disproportionate rage and fear.  

Finally, with @18, bicyclists do in fact enjoy a freedom and connection denied to autoists, so it's not surprising autoists might be a little jealous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1890s, when roadways weren&#8217;t generally paved and instead were deep mud in the winter, many cities had sidewalk ordinances that made bicycling on the sidewalk illegal during certain parts of the year or certain parts of the day.  Although newspapers had plenty of accounts of people killed by runaway horses, these were normalized as &#8220;accidents.&#8221;  Crashes involving &#8220;scorchers&#8221; (speedy and reckless bicyclists) and pedestrians almost always blamed the scorcher (which is not to say that scorching wasn&#8217;t a real problem) and often generalized this behavior to bicyclists generally.  </p>
<p>Even if the terms in the conflict have changed in a little over a century, it seems to me that the structure of the conflict and supposed threat remains strangely persistent.  </p>
<p>In the early auto age, autoists were also sometimes demonized.  So at least part of this is numbers:  Where and when bicycling is common, bicyclists aren&#8217;t available to be demonized; where and when they are few, they become an Other, and attract disproportionate rage and fear.  </p>
<p>Finally, with @18, bicyclists do in fact enjoy a freedom and connection denied to autoists, so it&#8217;s not surprising autoists might be a little jealous!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Durand</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6619</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Durand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this essay. Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the press, and among ordinary folk, there is a lot of equivocation on "safety" and "dangerous." Nick (12) pointed out that "safety" and "convenience" become synonyms; at least, people often weigh convenience issues of cars/drivers equal to safety issues of pedestrians &#38; cyclists.

I've observed that a lot of "anti-bike" people (and it's staggering to think they exist, but they do) call bikes "dangerous," meaning that they are dangerous to the cyclist. Just do a google news search of "bike" and "accident" and look at the reader comments, even on articles about fatal accidents, where you'd suppose there would be an outpouring of sympathy. You'll see a lot of comments about how bikes should be banned from roadways because they (the bikes) are dangerous... presumably to their riders. The cars, of course, are merely there, like bad weather, or inevitable resident beasts of prey whose lairs have been incautiously invaded by idiot bikers who have no sense of self-preservation.

I'm not sure where the ire comes from, exactly. I'd like to think it's that drivers don't want to have to add another hazard to attend to, and want to be good &#38; not run down a cyclist.

But it really just seems like another instance in which the convenience of drivers is weighed against the safety of bikers, and convenience wins, even though the loss to convenience is, say, a matter of seconds lost in a trip, and the fractional effort it takes to turn a steering wheel and push on a brake pedal.

So why would someone get so angry about making such a small sacrifice for someone's safety?

Maybe driving is deeply alienating. Most drivers are alone. Their only way to communicate with other drivers is through obstructed eye contact, a horn, and lights to flash. Hence, the angry monologue inside the confines of the car... something like commenting on a blog, but with no hope of response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the press, and among ordinary folk, there is a lot of equivocation on &#8220;safety&#8221; and &#8220;dangerous.&#8221; Nick (12) pointed out that &#8220;safety&#8221; and &#8220;convenience&#8221; become synonyms; at least, people often weigh convenience issues of cars/drivers equal to safety issues of pedestrians &amp; cyclists.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve observed that a lot of &#8220;anti-bike&#8221; people (and it&#8217;s staggering to think they exist, but they do) call bikes &#8220;dangerous,&#8221; meaning that they are dangerous to the cyclist. Just do a google news search of &#8220;bike&#8221; and &#8220;accident&#8221; and look at the reader comments, even on articles about fatal accidents, where you&#8217;d suppose there would be an outpouring of sympathy. You&#8217;ll see a lot of comments about how bikes should be banned from roadways because they (the bikes) are dangerous&#8230; presumably to their riders. The cars, of course, are merely there, like bad weather, or inevitable resident beasts of prey whose lairs have been incautiously invaded by idiot bikers who have no sense of self-preservation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where the ire comes from, exactly. I&#8217;d like to think it&#8217;s that drivers don&#8217;t want to have to add another hazard to attend to, and want to be good &amp; not run down a cyclist.</p>
<p>But it really just seems like another instance in which the convenience of drivers is weighed against the safety of bikers, and convenience wins, even though the loss to convenience is, say, a matter of seconds lost in a trip, and the fractional effort it takes to turn a steering wheel and push on a brake pedal.</p>
<p>So why would someone get so angry about making such a small sacrifice for someone&#8217;s safety?</p>
<p>Maybe driving is deeply alienating. Most drivers are alone. Their only way to communicate with other drivers is through obstructed eye contact, a horn, and lights to flash. Hence, the angry monologue inside the confines of the car&#8230; something like commenting on a blog, but with no hope of response.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6617</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also odd to hear "pedestrians are allowed to use the roadway when there is no sidewalk"  ! pedestrians should have every right to the road at any time, whether there is a footway or not.

"but they are required to yield to motorists." - what!! Abosuletly insane priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also odd to hear &#8220;pedestrians are allowed to use the roadway when there is no sidewalk&#8221;  ! pedestrians should have every right to the road at any time, whether there is a footway or not.</p>
<p>&#8220;but they are required to yield to motorists.&#8221; - what!! Abosuletly insane priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hembrow</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6614</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hembrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of odd stuff here. One of the first things I noticed when visiting the Netherlands is that unlike in the UK, people here are not paranoid about bikes. Cycle through busy shopping streets and people with children are not snatching them away from the "dangerous" bicycle.

At the same time, we have no speed limits on cycle paths here. Plenty of "hardcore" cyclists ride at extremely high speeds on cycle paths on busy commuting routes and between towns. That's what they are for. It is what they are engineered for. No-one has to "find a road".

There should be no confusion between places that children play and busy routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of odd stuff here. One of the first things I noticed when visiting the Netherlands is that unlike in the UK, people here are not paranoid about bikes. Cycle through busy shopping streets and people with children are not snatching them away from the &#8220;dangerous&#8221; bicycle.</p>
<p>At the same time, we have no speed limits on cycle paths here. Plenty of &#8220;hardcore&#8221; cyclists ride at extremely high speeds on cycle paths on busy commuting routes and between towns. That&#8217;s what they are for. It is what they are engineered for. No-one has to &#8220;find a road&#8221;.</p>
<p>There should be no confusion between places that children play and busy routes.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/03/16/the-phantom-menace/#comment-6610</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MarvinK said "If you’re too hardcore to slow down for kids and old ladies–find a less traveled road with a decent shoulder."

Why must it be less traveled and have a decent shoulder?  How about "find a road"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarvinK said &#8220;If you’re too hardcore to slow down for kids and old ladies–find a less traveled road with a decent shoulder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why must it be less traveled and have a decent shoulder?  How about &#8220;find a road&#8221;?</p>
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