Comments on: Kiwi Kommuters in Krossing Kerfuffle, Khronikles Kent

By: Allister

Allister — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:07:06 +0000

I should add, that I have found debating this subject to be an interesting experience. People who agree with me are very vocal about it. People who disagree with me won’t continue the debate beyond a few short exchanges. This tells me that most are willing to believe their government knows what’s best for them - even though many previous governments did not agree. Sad, really.

By: Allister

Allister — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:03:57 +0000

Hi. A bit late to this discussion but I have just been pointed to it.

The rule was introduced after Victoria, Australia introduced it and because they introduced it. Well, I’m sure there was another initial reasoning, but that is often mentioned.

What you must realise about Kiwis is that we are, on average, terrible drivers. Pick just about any basic rule and I will show you people breaking it every day. Even something as simple as a red traffic light.

I have stated my case on my blog (http://sittingduck.co.nz/blog/2009/08/19/right-of-reply-on-right-of-way/) that I don’t believe we need to change the rule and I do not expect it to achieve anything other than a period of confusion when the change is made.

The short answer is that if everyone follows the rules for a start, there would not be anywhere near the number of problems we currently have. All of the reasons being cited for the change (which is now definitely going to happen) are ridiculous, as explained in my blog post. While I don’t really mind which rule is in force, I vehemently disagree with changing anything for dubious reasons, as change, in itself, is a factor we can do without in this nation of lousy drivers.

By: geografree

geografree — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:49:12 +0000

I find the “courteous” discussion interesting. As a cyclist I’m often on the losing end of drivers being courteous to each other. For example, on congested arterials drivers flash their lights and slow to let turning cars pass in front of them. Of course the drivers can’t see all the other participants in the roadway including bicyclist travelling on the outside shared area.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:43:14 +0000

The two problems I see with being “courteous and generous” in this case is that 1) you are not respecting simple priority rules, thus possibly confusing the opposite left turning truck who is waiting for you to move, and 2) you are blocking the way for the drivers behind you, who are also expecting you to move. I don’t think anyone should fail a driving test just for doing that (and God knows there is a lack of courtesy on the roads), but IMHO that is not a correct way to be courteous.

By: Geis

Geis — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:39:57 +0000

This remonded me of the Pittsburgh Left. For those not in the know, here in Pittsburgh (and apparently as mentioned above in Massachusetts as well) someone making a turn across traffic may jump the light rather than be held back my opposing traffic advancing straight through the intersection. There is also a more friendly version of the Pittsburgh Left wherein the driver going straight pauses when the light turns green to allow the opposing car the chance to turn. My daughter failed her first driving test (not taken in Pittsburgh) because she came to an intersection at the same time as a truck coming from the opposite direction and instead of claiming the right of way, allowed the other driver to turn. I was upset because she was being penalized for being courteous and generous.

By: Rich Wilson

Rich Wilson — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:11:33 +0000

What do you mean “(remember, they drive on the other side of the road, folks)”. Ok, that’s rhetorical. I know what you mean. But isn’t ‘other’ a matter of perspective?

By: Tom Vanderbilt

Tom Vanderbilt — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:35:30 +0000

Thanks for the explanation, Larry; for some reason I was having trouble getting my head around that one. And Brian raises a good point too, which is echoed in the New Zealand case — the emergence of local traffic “customs” which more or less can work fine until a non-native driver comes along. As the post about the maps with traffic laws shows, there can be considerable difference state to state (things like the permissibility of u-turns, etc.).

By: LarryH

LarryH — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:02:29 +0000

As shown in the diagram at the top the driver in the blue car, must give way to the driver in the red car, except if it is a multilane road and there is another vehicle traveling in the same direction as the blue car and is overtaking the blue car and continuing on straight. In this case it is not safe for the red car to turn, so the blue car can go. Checking for this third car is what the article was refering to, by watching the eyes of the red car driver. The red car will be in the center lane on his side of the street, or on the flush median.

I drove for 10 years before coming to NZ, and this is still one rule I have to think about.

By: Brian Ogilvie

Brian Ogilvie — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:26:46 +0000

My guess is that the law was written when there were very few if any multi-lane roads in NZ and the goal was to prevent a long row of cars from getting stuck behind the right-turning vehicle. It doesn’t make sense to require cars going straight through to yield, but if someone is turning left, they have to slow anyway, and then the driver of the right-turning car can turn first, freeing the cars behind him or her to proceed.

I’ve seen enough analogous situations in the not-quite-rural-anymore environs of western Massachusetts: lots of cars piled up, stationary, behind a left-turning driver who can never get enough of a break in the traffic to make that turn. We have a local custom that the first one or two left-turners at a stoplight that has just turned green will make their left turn ahead of oncoming through traffic. I’m presuming it’s because they can clear the intersection safely (especially if the oncoming drivers expect it) and thereby allow the drivers behind them to proceed. It drove me nuts when I first moved here but now I’m used to it.