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		<title>By: gpsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a collision to be declared an accident the motorist must be applying due diligence, which texting while driving obviously is not.

Who might buy the defense, "I was just driving down the road reading the newspaper and accidentally ran into and killed your mom"?

But, I am familiar with a group of guys who essentially believe it is impossible under any conditions for a driver to be at fault for a crash, unless they're old, or operating below or not far enough in excess of the speed limit.

If a speeding driver should collide with the slower driver, it's the fault of the slower driver for being in the way.

Yeah, they're idiots, but they are under near constant bombardment by news reports of crashes "caused" by fog and ice containing multiple statements from officials asserting exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a collision to be declared an accident the motorist must be applying due diligence, which texting while driving obviously is not.</p>
<p>Who might buy the defense, &#8220;I was just driving down the road reading the newspaper and accidentally ran into and killed your mom&#8221;?</p>
<p>But, I am familiar with a group of guys who essentially believe it is impossible under any conditions for a driver to be at fault for a crash, unless they&#8217;re old, or operating below or not far enough in excess of the speed limit.</p>
<p>If a speeding driver should collide with the slower driver, it&#8217;s the fault of the slower driver for being in the way.</p>
<p>Yeah, they&#8217;re idiots, but they are under near constant bombardment by news reports of crashes &#8220;caused&#8221; by fog and ice containing multiple statements from officials asserting exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing further to add to the discussion, but just wanted to commend the fantastically high level of intelligent discourse to be found in the comment sections of this blog.  

It's wonderfully refreshing!

Keep it up everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing further to add to the discussion, but just wanted to commend the fantastically high level of intelligent discourse to be found in the comment sections of this blog.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s wonderfully refreshing!</p>
<p>Keep it up everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: njkayaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>njkayaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Moulton Says "An event can be both an accident and negligent. An event can be both an accident and a crime. An event can be both an accident and a crash. What I’m objecting to is the process of demonization and blaming that goes on by the refusal to accept that a criminal, negligent crash may also be unintentional."

I think you are arguing against a point that no one is making. No one is suggesting that the intent was to kill somebody.

The problem with the term "accident" is that it has a general connotation of something that can't be avoided. Tom Vanderbilt prefers the term "collision".

There are basically three ways to classify a collision:

1) An accident, something that can't reasonably be anticipated. Example: a tree falling and causing a driver to veer into another vehicle.

2) A collision that is the result of negligence. While the particular collision might not have been anticipated, drivers are required to take care that bad things (whatever they might be) don't happen. Texting while driving is a clear failure to take the required care. This isn't an "accident" because one can anticipate that something bad is likely to happen. A driver is required to avoid running over people and is also required to avoid situations where it is reasonable to assume somebody might get run over.

Example: the particular homicide being discussed here.

3) A collision that is intended. That is, if somebody plans to run into somebody, the intent to do so elevates the severity of the crime (eg. from homicide to murder).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Moulton Says &#8220;An event can be both an accident and negligent. An event can be both an accident and a crime. An event can be both an accident and a crash. What I’m objecting to is the process of demonization and blaming that goes on by the refusal to accept that a criminal, negligent crash may also be unintentional.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are arguing against a point that no one is making. No one is suggesting that the intent was to kill somebody.</p>
<p>The problem with the term &#8220;accident&#8221; is that it has a general connotation of something that can&#8217;t be avoided. Tom Vanderbilt prefers the term &#8220;collision&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are basically three ways to classify a collision:</p>
<p>1) An accident, something that can&#8217;t reasonably be anticipated. Example: a tree falling and causing a driver to veer into another vehicle.</p>
<p>2) A collision that is the result of negligence. While the particular collision might not have been anticipated, drivers are required to take care that bad things (whatever they might be) don&#8217;t happen. Texting while driving is a clear failure to take the required care. This isn&#8217;t an &#8220;accident&#8221; because one can anticipate that something bad is likely to happen. A driver is required to avoid running over people and is also required to avoid situations where it is reasonable to assume somebody might get run over.</p>
<p>Example: the particular homicide being discussed here.</p>
<p>3) A collision that is intended. That is, if somebody plans to run into somebody, the intent to do so elevates the severity of the crime (eg. from homicide to murder).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bigboote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bigboote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s interesting that one seldom hears the phrase “airplane accident.” "

It's no different in the nuclear power industry, where "accident" is not prefered terminology. 

"Human performance error" is used instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s interesting that one seldom hears the phrase “airplane accident.” &#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no different in the nuclear power industry, where &#8220;accident&#8221; is not prefered terminology. </p>
<p>&#8220;Human performance error&#8221; is used instead.</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some time ago, in southwest florida, fires generating smoke combined with weather conditions resulted in zero visibility on a segement of interstate highway. After a long investigation, highway patrol troopers cited drivers involved in a huge crash, for various reasons, mostly to do with operating in reduced visibility. There was reported in the media an outcry, that the crashes were caused by the forest service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some time ago, in southwest florida, fires generating smoke combined with weather conditions resulted in zero visibility on a segement of interstate highway. After a long investigation, highway patrol troopers cited drivers involved in a huge crash, for various reasons, mostly to do with operating in reduced visibility. There was reported in the media an outcry, that the crashes were caused by the forest service!</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s interesting that one seldom hears the phrase 'airplane accident.'"

The FAA makes sure of this. Aviation crash reports almost always report "pilot error" as the cause, most commonly due to running out of fuel or flying into bad weather. We might just as well fault drivers for their bad choices to drive in conditions that lead to road icing or into fog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s interesting that one seldom hears the phrase &#8216;airplane accident.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>The FAA makes sure of this. Aviation crash reports almost always report &#8220;pilot error&#8221; as the cause, most commonly due to running out of fuel or flying into bad weather. We might just as well fault drivers for their bad choices to drive in conditions that lead to road icing or into fog.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Souders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Souders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting that one seldom hears the phrase "airplane accident." 

People believe that when a plane crashes, &lt;b&gt;someone&lt;/b&gt; is culpable -- designers, flight crew, maintenance crew, traffic controllers, weather monitoring systems, terrorists, terrorist-minded security personnel, etc. This attitude -- "there are no 'plane accidents'" -- has led to a situation where the most potentially dangerous form of transportation is actually the safest.

But somehow car crashes "just happen." "It was an accident." Y'know, just like knocking over a glass of milk.

Everything about Mr. Cellestine suggested he was a menace and incapable of safely driving a car, thus his suspended license. Simply getting behind the wheel that night was an intentionally hazardous act. That he no longer had a valid driver's license was his signal not to drive, yet he disregarded it. Even by Mr. Moulton's conservative definition of "accident" this was no accident. 

I see Mr. Moulton's point here -- Mr. Cellestine had no &lt;b&gt;intention&lt;/b&gt; of murdering anyone. But he committed the legal equivalent of pointing a gun in the air and pulling the trigger. This was Judge Bennett's whole point. That bullet was gonna land somewhere, and it had the bad fortune of landing on a nice guy like Mr. Patterson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that one seldom hears the phrase &#8220;airplane accident.&#8221; </p>
<p>People believe that when a plane crashes, <b>someone</b> is culpable &#8212; designers, flight crew, maintenance crew, traffic controllers, weather monitoring systems, terrorists, terrorist-minded security personnel, etc. This attitude &#8212; &#8220;there are no &#8216;plane accidents&#8217;&#8221; &#8212; has led to a situation where the most potentially dangerous form of transportation is actually the safest.</p>
<p>But somehow car crashes &#8220;just happen.&#8221; &#8220;It was an accident.&#8221; Y&#8217;know, just like knocking over a glass of milk.</p>
<p>Everything about Mr. Cellestine suggested he was a menace and incapable of safely driving a car, thus his suspended license. Simply getting behind the wheel that night was an intentionally hazardous act. That he no longer had a valid driver&#8217;s license was his signal not to drive, yet he disregarded it. Even by Mr. Moulton&#8217;s conservative definition of &#8220;accident&#8221; this was no accident. </p>
<p>I see Mr. Moulton&#8217;s point here &#8212; Mr. Cellestine had no <b>intention</b> of murdering anyone. But he committed the legal equivalent of pointing a gun in the air and pulling the trigger. This was Judge Bennett&#8217;s whole point. That bullet was gonna land somewhere, and it had the bad fortune of landing on a nice guy like Mr. Patterson.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, ceasing to use the word "accident" has nothing to do with demonizing people and everything to do with changing how our society treats car crashes and driving safety. Nobody actually thinks that a driver who gets into a crash while distracted by their cell phone intended to get into a crash, after all everyone is just trying to get where they're going, and crashing into another car or running over a biker stops your effort to get somewhere pretty decisively. The problem is not "loving to blame and demonize" it's failing to internalize the fact that many of the things that people do while driving are dangerous and distracting, and that those behaviors cause crashes and ruin lives.  This isn't about one guy, it's about everybody and the need to analyze your own driving habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, ceasing to use the word &#8220;accident&#8221; has nothing to do with demonizing people and everything to do with changing how our society treats car crashes and driving safety. Nobody actually thinks that a driver who gets into a crash while distracted by their cell phone intended to get into a crash, after all everyone is just trying to get where they&#8217;re going, and crashing into another car or running over a biker stops your effort to get somewhere pretty decisively. The problem is not &#8220;loving to blame and demonize&#8221; it&#8217;s failing to internalize the fact that many of the things that people do while driving are dangerous and distracting, and that those behaviors cause crashes and ruin lives.  This isn&#8217;t about one guy, it&#8217;s about everybody and the need to analyze your own driving habits.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Moulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the thoughts!  I'm going to stick by my guns here.  An event can be both an accident and negligent.  An event can be both an accident and a crime.  An event can be both an accident and a crash.  What I'm objecting to is the process of demonization and blaming that goes on by the refusal to accept that a criminal, negligent crash may also be unintentional.  We love to blame and demonize, and it is not to our credit that we do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the thoughts!  I&#8217;m going to stick by my guns here.  An event can be both an accident and negligent.  An event can be both an accident and a crime.  An event can be both an accident and a crash.  What I&#8217;m objecting to is the process of demonization and blaming that goes on by the refusal to accept that a criminal, negligent crash may also be unintentional.  We love to blame and demonize, and it is not to our credit that we do so.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have to amend my comment, not realizing that the victim was on a bicycle-- all the more reason to never let Cellestine drive again. A bicyclist, by nature of position and speed, is the most vulnerable of road users-- much harder to avoid intention of this sort. Rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have to amend my comment, not realizing that the victim was on a bicycle&#8211; all the more reason to never let Cellestine drive again. A bicyclist, by nature of position and speed, is the most vulnerable of road users&#8211; much harder to avoid intention of this sort. Rest in peace.</p>
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