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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-31952</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m the guy who wrote comment 7 above. In belated response to the writer of comment 8, I see that my original comment may have been ambiguous. Here&#039;s the thing. I was going about 45 (a safe and reasonable speed) on this country road when the throttle stuck wide open. The truck rocketed up to 75 before I could get the engine stopped. This all happened VERY quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the guy who wrote comment 7 above. In belated response to the writer of comment 8, I see that my original comment may have been ambiguous. Here&#8217;s the thing. I was going about 45 (a safe and reasonable speed) on this country road when the throttle stuck wide open. The truck rocketed up to 75 before I could get the engine stopped. This all happened VERY quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: froggyprager</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10995</link>
		<dc:creator>froggyprager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom- 
I agree with your points here and think this provides an appropriate perspective.  You have more articulately said what I tried to say on my blog:  

http://frogsonthemoon.blogspot.com/2010/02/if-you-really-care-about-saving-lives.html

I had not thought about it but I agree that it is probably good for the Toyota recall to be in the news because as you said, “if it serves as a reminder of the risks of the road” even if the coverage is overly nuts regarding a specific part that may fail and lead to an accident.

Part of the problem I have with the coverage of this story is that it seems neither the regulators or Toyota really have a clear understanding of how often this happened, how many accidents were really a result of this problem, etc. Despite all the coverage, we don’t really know how these accidents occurred and if this really caused the problems.  There needs to be more focus on the real causes of accidents in the media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-<br />
I agree with your points here and think this provides an appropriate perspective.  You have more articulately said what I tried to say on my blog:  </p>
<p><a href="http://frogsonthemoon.blogspot.com/2010/02/if-you-really-care-about-saving-lives.html" rel="nofollow">http://frogsonthemoon.blogspot.com/2010/02/if-you-really-care-about-saving-lives.html</a></p>
<p>I had not thought about it but I agree that it is probably good for the Toyota recall to be in the news because as you said, “if it serves as a reminder of the risks of the road” even if the coverage is overly nuts regarding a specific part that may fail and lead to an accident.</p>
<p>Part of the problem I have with the coverage of this story is that it seems neither the regulators or Toyota really have a clear understanding of how often this happened, how many accidents were really a result of this problem, etc. Despite all the coverage, we don’t really know how these accidents occurred and if this really caused the problems.  There needs to be more focus on the real causes of accidents in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10978</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Devil&#039;s Advocate here, because unless I&#039;m missing something, I think Leonard and Tom (and probably others) are missing somethings.

1 - Regarding the incident with the California cop and the 911 call. Take the 911 call out of the equation. Question what information may or may not be recovered from the &quot;little black box&quot; in cars that save the past 5 seconds of data when air bags deploy. 

I see a situation where it would, could, and very likely end up being a situation where we would be talking about a careless and self-empowered off-duty cop who decided that laws didn&#039;t apply to him. He went way too fast and lost control.

2 - Another reason why I think Leonard and Tom are way off base is that are now more than a number of media articles and videos coming out with people claiming that this accelerator problem occured or started while the vehicle was at a stop, coming to a stop, or just coming from a stop. Kind of throws that whole slow down and drive more safely diatribe above out the window, no?

And as far as the brakes will hold the car bit, that has been challenged in a number of those same videos and articles. As a former mechanic, I can tell you that A LOT of people drive around with beyond worn out brakes. I really don&#039;t believe that some cars, especially with large V6 engines will be held back with worn out brakes. New brakes probably so, but not worn out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s Advocate here, because unless I&#8217;m missing something, I think Leonard and Tom (and probably others) are missing somethings.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Regarding the incident with the California cop and the 911 call. Take the 911 call out of the equation. Question what information may or may not be recovered from the &#8220;little black box&#8221; in cars that save the past 5 seconds of data when air bags deploy. </p>
<p>I see a situation where it would, could, and very likely end up being a situation where we would be talking about a careless and self-empowered off-duty cop who decided that laws didn&#8217;t apply to him. He went way too fast and lost control.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Another reason why I think Leonard and Tom are way off base is that are now more than a number of media articles and videos coming out with people claiming that this accelerator problem occured or started while the vehicle was at a stop, coming to a stop, or just coming from a stop. Kind of throws that whole slow down and drive more safely diatribe above out the window, no?</p>
<p>And as far as the brakes will hold the car bit, that has been challenged in a number of those same videos and articles. As a former mechanic, I can tell you that A LOT of people drive around with beyond worn out brakes. I really don&#8217;t believe that some cars, especially with large V6 engines will be held back with worn out brakes. New brakes probably so, but not worn out.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10977</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,

Since you mentioned it, I’m not going to worry that much about going off topic on this site.

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see Mac computers get their comeuppance in the near future, especially in regards to their safety against viruses/worms/trojans.

As evident by Shane Macaulay’s win last year at a hacker’s convention, and a multitude of other tech articles, Mac are inherently a lot easier to hack than Window’s PCs.

The reason that we don’t see many infected Macs is because Macs have traditionally held a small market share. This makes it unprofitable for virus makers to work on hacks to turn Macs into spambots, or to infect a sizeable enough number of Macs for the purposes of stealing personal information.

However, with the Mac market share increasing I can definitely see the day coming where some Mac users are going to have a startling wake up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Since you mentioned it, I’m not going to worry that much about going off topic on this site.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see Mac computers get their comeuppance in the near future, especially in regards to their safety against viruses/worms/trojans.</p>
<p>As evident by Shane Macaulay’s win last year at a hacker’s convention, and a multitude of other tech articles, Mac are inherently a lot easier to hack than Window’s PCs.</p>
<p>The reason that we don’t see many infected Macs is because Macs have traditionally held a small market share. This makes it unprofitable for virus makers to work on hacks to turn Macs into spambots, or to infect a sizeable enough number of Macs for the purposes of stealing personal information.</p>
<p>However, with the Mac market share increasing I can definitely see the day coming where some Mac users are going to have a startling wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: wes kirkman</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10974</link>
		<dc:creator>wes kirkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, I can&#039;t help but point out you were going 75 on a rural--sure, I&#039;ll give you that--road.  Kind of zippy there, don&#039;t you think?  Especially when compared with Mr. Evans&#039; statement that changing your speed from 52 to 50 increases your chances of survival in a wreck 15%.

However, you are sort of getting to a point: the frequency of runaway vehicles is so tiny that, I bet, most have not experienced it.  Yet, that is the point of this entry.  Despite the infrequency and resulting small fraction of deaths, there is the hysteria going on.  I even remember driver&#039;s ed making a big deal about this, while not even paying lip service to watching for pedestrians, how to act when bicyclists are in the road, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I can&#8217;t help but point out you were going 75 on a rural&#8211;sure, I&#8217;ll give you that&#8211;road.  Kind of zippy there, don&#8217;t you think?  Especially when compared with Mr. Evans&#8217; statement that changing your speed from 52 to 50 increases your chances of survival in a wreck 15%.</p>
<p>However, you are sort of getting to a point: the frequency of runaway vehicles is so tiny that, I bet, most have not experienced it.  Yet, that is the point of this entry.  Despite the infrequency and resulting small fraction of deaths, there is the hysteria going on.  I even remember driver&#8217;s ed making a big deal about this, while not even paying lip service to watching for pedestrians, how to act when bicyclists are in the road, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10964</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody commenting here actually been behind the wheel of a runaway vehicle? I have. Years ago, the throttle on my &#039;72 Chevy half-ton froze wide open. The truck took off like a bullet. Fortunately, the truck was &quot;primitive&quot; enough that all I had to do was turn off the ignition. I was going about 75 down a country road when I got the engine stopped. The resulting loss of power steering and power brakes made steering onto the soft gravel shoulder and stopping a little more exciting than I would have liked.

This experience leads me to question the logic of your assertion that improving my driving safety &lt;em&gt;generally&lt;/em&gt; ought to make me indifferent to mechanical defects in my vehicle that target my safety &lt;em&gt;specifically&lt;/em&gt;.

Or do you intend to be an apologist for Toyota?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody commenting here actually been behind the wheel of a runaway vehicle? I have. Years ago, the throttle on my &#8217;72 Chevy half-ton froze wide open. The truck took off like a bullet. Fortunately, the truck was &#8220;primitive&#8221; enough that all I had to do was turn off the ignition. I was going about 75 down a country road when I got the engine stopped. The resulting loss of power steering and power brakes made steering onto the soft gravel shoulder and stopping a little more exciting than I would have liked.</p>
<p>This experience leads me to question the logic of your assertion that improving my driving safety <em>generally</em> ought to make me indifferent to mechanical defects in my vehicle that target my safety <em>specifically</em>.</p>
<p>Or do you intend to be an apologist for Toyota?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Toews</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10960</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Toews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hold on a sec.  What about this article in comp.risks showing a total failure in how to design a familiar system to turn off the vehicle.

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.82.html#subj1.1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on a sec.  What about this article in comp.risks showing a total failure in how to design a familiar system to turn off the vehicle.</p>
<p><a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.82.html#subj1.1" rel="nofollow">http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.82.html#subj1.1</a></p>
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		<title>By: gpsman</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10959</link>
		<dc:creator>gpsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom: Forgive me; NEVER, ever, EVER, EVER link to AOL.

Ever.

It just isn&#039;t done.

Hypocritically posted via Time-Warner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: Forgive me; NEVER, ever, EVER, EVER link to AOL.</p>
<p>Ever.</p>
<p>It just isn&#8217;t done.</p>
<p>Hypocritically posted via Time-Warner.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10957</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Driver ability will always be paramount, hence my blog, which you should give some press to, Tom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Driver ability will always be paramount, hence my blog, which you should give some press to, Tom.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob P.</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/08/recall-problems/#comment-10954</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know someone who missed a day of work because they took their car to a dealership to be checked. The &quot;check tire pressure&quot; light was on, and tehy couldn&#039;t figure out what to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know someone who missed a day of work because they took their car to a dealership to be checked. The &#8220;check tire pressure&#8221; light was on, and tehy couldn&#8217;t figure out what to do.</p>
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