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		<title>By: movealongs</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-21879</link>
		<dc:creator>movealongs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the left lane gets abused by many.  A lot of states have laws for use of the left lane.  Courtesy has left driving as it has become more of a competition of sorts.  Traffic jams are one situation where the left lane is typically filled and cannot be used only for passing.  However, there are many times that traffic is aligned in a manner that left lane drivers impede traffic especially if they are not passing another vehicle.  I address a solution in my product, movealongs.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the left lane gets abused by many.  A lot of states have laws for use of the left lane.  Courtesy has left driving as it has become more of a competition of sorts.  Traffic jams are one situation where the left lane is typically filled and cannot be used only for passing.  However, there are many times that traffic is aligned in a manner that left lane drivers impede traffic especially if they are not passing another vehicle.  I address a solution in my product, movealongs.com</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-14001</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you want to drive as  you would have in Europe. Been there, drove that. In City driving is totally different than driving the Autobahn. Slower more chaotic. Huge use of horns. 
  I  still choose not to tailgate or become a Willy Weaver to prove who owns the lane.  I believe that courtesy comes before tragedy.  People that tailgate cause traffic jams by not allowing another driver in. One person Slams on the brakes and the domino effect begins. Try another domino effect, respect the Person inside the car a head of you. We tend to forget a human with a life and loved ones are the ones in the other auto. Would you tailgate a person in the checkout lane at the store? 
   Until they come up with the ultimate road system this is what we have. Me I am waiting for the flying car they promised me in grade school. I drive 52 miles and through a major city one way Monday through Friday. Then I get to go home again. This was another choice I made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you want to drive as  you would have in Europe. Been there, drove that. In City driving is totally different than driving the Autobahn. Slower more chaotic. Huge use of horns.<br />
  I  still choose not to tailgate or become a Willy Weaver to prove who owns the lane.  I believe that courtesy comes before tragedy.  People that tailgate cause traffic jams by not allowing another driver in. One person Slams on the brakes and the domino effect begins. Try another domino effect, respect the Person inside the car a head of you. We tend to forget a human with a life and loved ones are the ones in the other auto. Would you tailgate a person in the checkout lane at the store?<br />
   Until they come up with the ultimate road system this is what we have. Me I am waiting for the flying car they promised me in grade school. I drive 52 miles and through a major city one way Monday through Friday. Then I get to go home again. This was another choice I made.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-13952</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left lane squatting is an endemic problem in the USA, and not nearly as bad elsewhere. In Germany, it is near-zero due to systematic enforcement by the police. Most of Europe is somewhere in between.

The problem is so bad in the USA that it causes huge economic losses ... trafic jams where none should be, and highways with entire extra lanes that they should not need.

Current speed limits are not about safety - the current conventions were established in the days when cars had drum brakes, cross-ply tyres and truly abominable handling. A modern shopping trolley like a Honda Accord easily outperforms the best sports cars of that era, especially in cornering and braking, and has low profile radial tyres, decent suspension, and assistive safety technology like ABS and stability control.

The problem with any driving standards laws in the USA is that highway enforcement is primarily a revenue generating function, and you can't measure incompetence with a radar gun. This law is not only badly framed, it's pointless. Note that the USA is the only country where speed limits are set by local fiefdoms like counties, rather than by national road safety standards - do you really believe councilman Billy Joe Jim Bob understands road safety better than someone at NHTSA with a degree in engineering? No, it's about revenue.

In Europe, it's tacitly understood that the 1970's-originated speed limits are artificially low for modern technology, and by comparison, the cops are far more relaxed about enforcing them ... in most jurisdictions, 85 mph is the norm on motorways in the UK where the limit is 70 mph ... but the old limits give the cops something to go on to write tickets to idiots who were doing something else stupid, that is objectively measurable and not subject to debate in court. This understanding of course relies on the cops exercising appropriate discretion, and is arguably untenable in the very adversarial context of the US police relationship with its citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left lane squatting is an endemic problem in the USA, and not nearly as bad elsewhere. In Germany, it is near-zero due to systematic enforcement by the police. Most of Europe is somewhere in between.</p>
<p>The problem is so bad in the USA that it causes huge economic losses &#8230; trafic jams where none should be, and highways with entire extra lanes that they should not need.</p>
<p>Current speed limits are not about safety - the current conventions were established in the days when cars had drum brakes, cross-ply tyres and truly abominable handling. A modern shopping trolley like a Honda Accord easily outperforms the best sports cars of that era, especially in cornering and braking, and has low profile radial tyres, decent suspension, and assistive safety technology like ABS and stability control.</p>
<p>The problem with any driving standards laws in the USA is that highway enforcement is primarily a revenue generating function, and you can&#8217;t measure incompetence with a radar gun. This law is not only badly framed, it&#8217;s pointless. Note that the USA is the only country where speed limits are set by local fiefdoms like counties, rather than by national road safety standards - do you really believe councilman Billy Joe Jim Bob understands road safety better than someone at NHTSA with a degree in engineering? No, it&#8217;s about revenue.</p>
<p>In Europe, it&#8217;s tacitly understood that the 1970&#8217;s-originated speed limits are artificially low for modern technology, and by comparison, the cops are far more relaxed about enforcing them &#8230; in most jurisdictions, 85 mph is the norm on motorways in the UK where the limit is 70 mph &#8230; but the old limits give the cops something to go on to write tickets to idiots who were doing something else stupid, that is objectively measurable and not subject to debate in court. This understanding of course relies on the cops exercising appropriate discretion, and is arguably untenable in the very adversarial context of the US police relationship with its citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-13770</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The auto industry is putting a power off device in vehicles so law enforcement may safely stop a stolen car or dangerous driver. No chase involved. No inocents hurt or killed. The future looks brighter in that respect for me. See the GM web site they are already doing it. 
  We pay and test out for the privilege to drive. I personally was not given the right to tailgate another person when they handed me my licenses.  I do drive the fast lane and found allowing room for the person in front of me  to see when they can switch lanes works out much better with less stress for both parties. Besides I don't know if they have an infant in the back seat or simply got stuck in the lane. I couldn't live with my self if I thought I would cause harm to a family. I don't have the right to make someone have a bad day. Courtesy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auto industry is putting a power off device in vehicles so law enforcement may safely stop a stolen car or dangerous driver. No chase involved. No inocents hurt or killed. The future looks brighter in that respect for me. See the GM web site they are already doing it.<br />
  We pay and test out for the privilege to drive. I personally was not given the right to tailgate another person when they handed me my licenses.  I do drive the fast lane and found allowing room for the person in front of me  to see when they can switch lanes works out much better with less stress for both parties. Besides I don&#8217;t know if they have an infant in the back seat or simply got stuck in the lane. I couldn&#8217;t live with my self if I thought I would cause harm to a family. I don&#8217;t have the right to make someone have a bad day. Courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11863</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, chips in every car? What are you a fascist? how about implanting a chip in your head? The goverment has their noses in our lives to much already. If we drove like germans we would not have to worry about people like you wanting to implant chips in everything you think should be contolled according to your personal limited world view.  Please go back to your little box!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, chips in every car? What are you a fascist? how about implanting a chip in your head? The goverment has their noses in our lives to much already. If we drove like germans we would not have to worry about people like you wanting to implant chips in everything you think should be contolled according to your personal limited world view.  Please go back to your little box!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11355</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a child, America's interstate system was somewhat new and our particular stretch of I-90, the New York State Thruway was quite the treat for any motorist.  It was a big deal to hop on it in the early sixties and as I recall, there was excellent lane discipline and it was actually considered a thrilling moment when it came time to pass a truck or another car.

Maybe it was the cruise control or just too much traffic but lane discipline in America has all but vanished.  I am older now and readily admit to driving like a geezer.  My job requires me to drive on I-83 often (between Harrisburg/York PA and Baltimore MD) and I am amazed that in rush hour traffic I am slower in the right lane but relatively unencumbered as the left lane has turned into some sort of informal main lane of traffic now.  It's particularly embarrassing to see the right lane start moving faster because fewer cars are in it. I think people perceive they will held up by a large truck or slower traffic - it does happen but the fear of it is not congruent to the event.  The highway would have no capacity problems if motorists would simply return to the right lane after passing.  I have often joked to my wife that I need to get a photo someday of the phenomenon - Left lane completely congested while the right lane is clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a child, America&#8217;s interstate system was somewhat new and our particular stretch of I-90, the New York State Thruway was quite the treat for any motorist.  It was a big deal to hop on it in the early sixties and as I recall, there was excellent lane discipline and it was actually considered a thrilling moment when it came time to pass a truck or another car.</p>
<p>Maybe it was the cruise control or just too much traffic but lane discipline in America has all but vanished.  I am older now and readily admit to driving like a geezer.  My job requires me to drive on I-83 often (between Harrisburg/York PA and Baltimore MD) and I am amazed that in rush hour traffic I am slower in the right lane but relatively unencumbered as the left lane has turned into some sort of informal main lane of traffic now.  It&#8217;s particularly embarrassing to see the right lane start moving faster because fewer cars are in it. I think people perceive they will held up by a large truck or slower traffic - it does happen but the fear of it is not congruent to the event.  The highway would have no capacity problems if motorists would simply return to the right lane after passing.  I have often joked to my wife that I need to get a photo someday of the phenomenon - Left lane completely congested while the right lane is clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John,

Citizens serving as unlicensed enforcement officers won't work.  Ever try to report on neighbors driving irresponsibly and disobeying laws?  My experience (and other neighbors') shows that hatred, retaliation and property destruction are the rewards.  In addition, bad drivers typically don't want other drivers like them held responsible as it means further cuts to their preferred behavior.

As Davey Bob points out, the left lane owners like to hug the lanes to the last second before cutting off numerous other drivers to make their exit... these bad habits are multiplying and enabled via speed and ignoring safety.

I suppose that the only way to hold drivers accountable is to have electronic devices in every car which would automatically issue speeding tickets, red light running, rapid lane changing, etc, to their owners.  Our public roads create more death, destruction, property damage, and serious injuries to more citizens than anything else we do and most drivers want all of this to be viewed as simply "accidents".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John,</p>
<p>Citizens serving as unlicensed enforcement officers won&#8217;t work.  Ever try to report on neighbors driving irresponsibly and disobeying laws?  My experience (and other neighbors&#8217;) shows that hatred, retaliation and property destruction are the rewards.  In addition, bad drivers typically don&#8217;t want other drivers like them held responsible as it means further cuts to their preferred behavior.</p>
<p>As Davey Bob points out, the left lane owners like to hug the lanes to the last second before cutting off numerous other drivers to make their exit&#8230; these bad habits are multiplying and enabled via speed and ignoring safety.</p>
<p>I suppose that the only way to hold drivers accountable is to have electronic devices in every car which would automatically issue speeding tickets, red light running, rapid lane changing, etc, to their owners.  Our public roads create more death, destruction, property damage, and serious injuries to more citizens than anything else we do and most drivers want all of this to be viewed as simply &#8220;accidents&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11213</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I wouldn't discount the "honor system" too lightly. If everyone get the same level of high quality driver's ed, and everybody is on the same page as far as the rules of the road, it can have a significant effect. We're far too accepting of the half-assed level of driver's ed we get here in the states, and there are far too many drivers here who forgot what little they learned the instant they left the DMV. 

One tidbit I recall about driving in Germany is the fact that a lot of German drivers really dislike the increase in foreign drivers and truckers on their roads because they don't know the rules and are nowhere close to as well trained as german drivers. IIRC there have been several serious crashes on the autobahn in recent years that were attributed to foreign drivers screwing up, following to close, or losing control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I wouldn&#8217;t discount the &#8220;honor system&#8221; too lightly. If everyone get the same level of high quality driver&#8217;s ed, and everybody is on the same page as far as the rules of the road, it can have a significant effect. We&#8217;re far too accepting of the half-assed level of driver&#8217;s ed we get here in the states, and there are far too many drivers here who forgot what little they learned the instant they left the DMV. </p>
<p>One tidbit I recall about driving in Germany is the fact that a lot of German drivers really dislike the increase in foreign drivers and truckers on their roads because they don&#8217;t know the rules and are nowhere close to as well trained as german drivers. IIRC there have been several serious crashes on the autobahn in recent years that were attributed to foreign drivers screwing up, following to close, or losing control.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18: Surely they've figured out a way to enforce this in Germany. I doubt people's strict adherence to the laws there is based on the honour system. When I was driving there with my cousin, she practically freaked out because I didn't move right immediately after passing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18: Surely they&#8217;ve figured out a way to enforce this in Germany. I doubt people&#8217;s strict adherence to the laws there is based on the honour system. When I was driving there with my cousin, she practically freaked out because I didn&#8217;t move right immediately after passing.</p>
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		<title>By: TomL</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/02/16/lane-justice/#comment-11181</link>
		<dc:creator>TomL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23: this is exactly why so many accidents happen around the exits or junctions with other major roads.  

People in the left lane - who know they need to take a specific major exit - continue driving in the left lane as long as possible.  Then, because they are 'The Most Important Drivers on the Road', change lanes at last possible moment, cutting in front of all the other drivers who have already moved over into the right lane, ready to exit the highway.  

I especially see this with drivers exiting the HOV/carpool lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23: this is exactly why so many accidents happen around the exits or junctions with other major roads.  </p>
<p>People in the left lane - who know they need to take a specific major exit - continue driving in the left lane as long as possible.  Then, because they are &#8216;The Most Important Drivers on the Road&#8217;, change lanes at last possible moment, cutting in front of all the other drivers who have already moved over into the right lane, ready to exit the highway.  </p>
<p>I especially see this with drivers exiting the HOV/carpool lanes.</p>
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