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	<title>Comments on: Why Traffic Slows at Tunnel Approaches</title>
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		<title>By: Smellis</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-22019</link>
		<dc:creator>Smellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glinda, 
I agree that Germans are design oriented and efficient, but i don't think those "pre-tunnel" joists are meant to prepare drivers for entering a tunnel as much as they are there for structural purposes (to hold the wall that separates the 2 directions of travel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glinda,<br />
I agree that Germans are design oriented and efficient, but i don&#8217;t think those &#8220;pre-tunnel&#8221; joists are meant to prepare drivers for entering a tunnel as much as they are there for structural purposes (to hold the wall that separates the 2 directions of travel).</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21883</link>
		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who slow while entering an intersection might have had the unpleasant experience of encountering someone else who does not stop at red lights. Four decades ago, my driver's ed instructor taught us to lift off the pedal and hover over the brake pedal when entering an intersection. Motorcycle safety classes suggest to have one's hands on the brake and clutch levers at intersections.

If I'm sitting at a red light that turns green, I do not arbitrarily enter the intersection. With a green light, I look left and right before continuing. It's prevented one crash so far. That's enough for me to continue the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who slow while entering an intersection might have had the unpleasant experience of encountering someone else who does not stop at red lights. Four decades ago, my driver&#8217;s ed instructor taught us to lift off the pedal and hover over the brake pedal when entering an intersection. Motorcycle safety classes suggest to have one&#8217;s hands on the brake and clutch levers at intersections.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m sitting at a red light that turns green, I do not arbitrarily enter the intersection. With a green light, I look left and right before continuing. It&#8217;s prevented one crash so far. That&#8217;s enough for me to continue the practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of to be expected. What I don't understand is people who slow down to go through a green light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of to be expected. What I don&#8217;t understand is people who slow down to go through a green light.</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21778</link>
		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Tony P. So many benefits to such a roadway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Tony P. So many benefits to such a roadway.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony P</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21776</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred:  On residential streets, the traffic calming tunnel is practical, cheap, pretty, reduces greenhouse gasses...and it works! It's called a tree canopy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred:  On residential streets, the traffic calming tunnel is practical, cheap, pretty, reduces greenhouse gasses&#8230;and it works! It&#8217;s called a tree canopy.</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21712</link>
		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJM P.E. appears to have the answer for slowing down drivers in residential areas that have had the roadways expanded and "improved" to the point where speeds are excessive for any other uses in a safe manner.

Let's put up tunnel walls and tops and slow those cars down!

yeah, not practical, but even a narrower roadway would probably help in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJM P.E. appears to have the answer for slowing down drivers in residential areas that have had the roadways expanded and &#8220;improved&#8221; to the point where speeds are excessive for any other uses in a safe manner.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put up tunnel walls and tops and slow those cars down!</p>
<p>yeah, not practical, but even a narrower roadway would probably help in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: JJM P.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21674</link>
		<dc:creator>JJM P.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the same thing happens at the Kosciusko Bridge near Albany, NY (a through-arch) I suspect that the sense of confinement has as much to do with it as going under a mountain or river.  Drivers feel that they have less room for error, and slow down to compensate.

It's even been noted next to concrete barriers and other obstructions.

I suggest maintaining shoulder width, or even making them wider, as well as tapering the entrance, rather than abruptly narrowing the roadside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the same thing happens at the Kosciusko Bridge near Albany, NY (a through-arch) I suspect that the sense of confinement has as much to do with it as going under a mountain or river.  Drivers feel that they have less room for error, and slow down to compensate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even been noted next to concrete barriers and other obstructions.</p>
<p>I suggest maintaining shoulder width, or even making them wider, as well as tapering the entrance, rather than abruptly narrowing the roadside.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, drivers should slow down when approaching a tunnel that they cannot see into.

They should not be &lt;i&gt;braking&lt;/i&gt;, however.  Drivers should look ahead, notice they are approaching the tunnel, and &lt;i&gt;decelerate gradually&lt;/i&gt; rather than hit the brakes.

I think that better driver education would help.  Too many people tailgate as well as jam on the brakes when they should simply decelerate more gradually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, drivers should slow down when approaching a tunnel that they cannot see into.</p>
<p>They should not be <i>braking</i>, however.  Drivers should look ahead, notice they are approaching the tunnel, and <i>decelerate gradually</i> rather than hit the brakes.</p>
<p>I think that better driver education would help.  Too many people tailgate as well as jam on the brakes when they should simply decelerate more gradually.</p>
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		<title>By: Glinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They slow down to adjust to the darker light. A "pre tunnel" consisting of a series of arches that reduce direct sunlight could ameliorate the problem. Example: go to Google Maps and type 
51.230366,6.738746</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They slow down to adjust to the darker light. A &#8220;pre tunnel&#8221; consisting of a series of arches that reduce direct sunlight could ameliorate the problem. Example: go to Google Maps and type<br />
51.230366,6.738746</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Barcode</title>
		<link>http://www.howwedrive.com/2010/11/10/why-traffic-slows-at-tunnel-approaches/#comment-21579</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Barcode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People slow down for all the right reasons, such as the recognition that an accident in a tunnel would be deadlier than one on an ordinary highway, where there are no walls to smash into.  Also, the tunnel is presumably darker, and if you can't see what's ahead, it is appropriate to slow down.  Mulad is right; why do we want to condition people out of good behavior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People slow down for all the right reasons, such as the recognition that an accident in a tunnel would be deadlier than one on an ordinary highway, where there are no walls to smash into.  Also, the tunnel is presumably darker, and if you can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s ahead, it is appropriate to slow down.  Mulad is right; why do we want to condition people out of good behavior?</p>
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